Thursday, November 15, 2007

Se acabó River

River ayer tenía un plantel de 90 millones de dolares (por lo menos): ¿Cuanto cuestan en el "mercado" Belluschi, Augusto, Falcao, Buonanotte, Ferrari, Rosales, Ponzio, Lima y los demás? ¿y la cotización de los prestados Carrizo, y Alexis Sanchez? ¿ y los que se vienen atrás: Etchemaite, Ríos, Lizio, el Keko Villalba, Burzac, Oliva? ¿y otros que por edad ya no tienen cotización pero tienen una jerarquía inextinguible como Ortega?

Lo de River es irreversible. Puede venir un entrenador que les dé falopa anímica a los jugadores durante 6 meses (Simeone, Gallego) y se gane un título importante o no tanto. Repatriar viejas glorias como Crespo, Saviola, o Solari que mantengan viva la ilusión. El problema es que el fútbol se dirige hacia un lugar que se lleva puesto el lastre de grandeza que River representa. Una grandeza que estaba representada en el juego y no en el poder económico. Poder económico o de mercado que ha modificado sustancialmente el concepto que utilizan los principales equipos europeos. Que ya no tiene relación alguna con el juego sino con el poder del marketing. ¿Por qué sino se menciona a Mourinho como posible reemplazante de Rijkaard? ¿Qué sustento meramente fútbolistico tiene esa decisión?. Ninguna. El fútbol ya no se plantea cuestiones referidas al estilo, sino se ha acomodado en torno a una visión mas empresario-corporativa. Como un banco que quiere vender una imagen para cautivar ahorristas y levantar su nivel de rentabilidad. Hoy la imagen institucional que presenta River no es la mejor (no sirve ni de cartón pintado): con su cancha poceada, sus halles amurallados, y es no solo un problema de impericia dirigencial (el factor máximo del fracaso deportivo) sino también por vivir preso de un modelo que ya no se puede sustentar de ninguna manera.

Cuando se ganó la Libertadores del 86 (como ayer) River tampoco le pudo hacer goles a un gran equipo como el Argentinos Juniors de aquel tiempo. Está claro que este River es muy inferior al del 86 y ya no tiene jugadores de la jerarquía de Alonso, Funes, Morresi, Enrique, o Alzamendi pero Arsenal tampoco tiene a los Borghi, Pepe Castro, Ereros, panza Videla, Checho Batista, Jorge Mario Olguín que tenía aquel equipo. Es una decadencia mucho mas profunda que la de un club. Afecta a todo el fútbol y mas a River por el nivel de sus aspiraciones. Arsenal es un equipo muy inferior que tiene 40 veces mas limitaciones que River, pero que por modestia no se plantea determinados objetivos.

Si River plantea un partido como lo hizo Arsenal ayer, es probable que sus hinchas quemen el estadio y cuelguen del puente Labruna a jugadores y técnico.

Para su juego hegemónico, River necesita de los mejores jugadores en cada puesto. Eso ya es imposible en un fútbol de empresarios, o mejor dicho que tiene a dirigentes comprometidos con determinados empresarios, con dirigentes que tienen poca imaginación para multiplicar los recursos de tiempo y dinero que tiene el club (algo que no sucede con sus patrimonios personales), los plazos para negociar jugadores, las limitaciones intelectuales y los compromisos económicos de los entrenadores del equipo profesional y del fútbol amateur.

Hoy River a pesar de ese plantel de 90 millones de dolares del que hablábamos, no tiene volantes zurdos ni un 9 de área, ni laterales con marca y fútbol. Eso en la cancha se nota e impide superar ayer a Arsenal y mañana al que sea.

Esto va a seguir siendo así sea quien sea el técnico por obra y gracia de los cráneos que manejan el club. No hay una política deportiva que contemple todas estas variables. Por eso creo que todo esto es IRREVERSIBLE.

191 comments:

Anonymous said...

Estas fumado? Plantel de 90 millones?

Ah, Belluschi 40 palos cierto, Buenas Noches seguro 25 y ya llegamos.

Gordo mira, es muy arlequin la comparacion que haces, no podes comparar el futbol de los 80 con el futbol de hoy, 20 años despues.

Vos te crees que el River del 86 no le va a costar estos equipos de mierda que se te meten atras y podes hacer poco?

River tiene buenos jugadores de mitad para arriba, pero falta jerarquia, defensa, experiencia y huevos. No hay lideres en este equipo, se acuerdan los que mataban a Astrada por dos semis de Libertadores? Como se extraña esas epocas...

toto said...

(HOY)

Belluschi 15
Falcao 15
Buonanotte 12
Alexis Sanchez 12
Augusto 10
Carrizo 7
Ferrari 7
Rosales 5
Ponzio 3,5
Ruben 3,5
Lima 3...

HACE LAS CUENTAS!!

YO HABLO DE LA DECADENCIA DEL FUTBOL ARGENTINO NO SOLO DE RIVER, SI QUERES VAMOS 10 AÑOS ATRAS Y ES LO MISMO.

En la era Astrada los problemas eran iguales que los de ahora. En los 90 tambien habia equipos que se metian atras y venian a la cancha de River y se comian 5, 6 goles.

toto said...

Experiencia tienen Tuzzio y Lussenhoff vos te pensas que con la experiencia sola hacés algo??

No será que cuando estaba Astrada habia un 2 que se llamaba Ameli.

toto said...

Igual ayer River perdió por no poder hacer un gol, no tener una referencia de area. No por problemas defensivos.

toto said...

Ponés a Alonso, Enrique, Morresi, Alfaro, Alzamendi, Funes o Francescoli en una cancha contra Yacuzzi, San Martin, Casteglione, Garnier y Damonte y se comen 18 goles.

Anonymous said...

despues de leer decime que hago con la remera? si esto es irreversible

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Bodrio said...

Mmmm no sé, gordo.

Mirá como se marcaba en los 80s. Había mucho mas espacio y tiempo para pensar....y se corría menos

toto said...

Y QUE TIENE QUE VER??. vos te pensas que a Alonso lo ponia nervioso que lo marcara San Martin??

Agustín said...

En los 80', como todos sabemos, el fútbol no estaba tan mediatizado y además existía amor por la camiseta...por eso la mayor parte de los mejores jugadores no se marchaban al fútbol Europeo (no llegaban demasiadas ofertas como ahora, tampoco). Como todo grande, River en ese entonces se hacía de los mejores jugadores del medio local y alrededores.

En los 90', en plena convertibilidad de Cashlo Saúl, River garpaba sueldos y primas similares a las de los grandes de Europa; es más, el contrato de Salas en la Lazio era solo superior en U$S 200.000 (anuales) al que percibía en River...por ello el Shileno no tenía ganas de irse. Se marchó obligado por la dirigencia para equilibrar las finanzas del club. River entonces, como buen grande, en esos tiempos acaparaba lo mejor del medio local y países limítrofes (Angel, Salas, etc). Un Velez, por ejemplo, garpaba más que los clubes Mexicanos y que un Valladolido o Extremadura. Los que se iban a esas ligas lo hacían por no encontrar sitio en los planteles Argentinos, no para salvarse y hacer "la diferencia".

Hoy por hoy, River concentra lo mejor "de lo que queda" en el medio local, dada la situación económica del país...y lo que queda es poco...lo que queda son aquellos "players" que no han sido tentados por Rusia, Bélgica o México, o, caso contrario, han vuelto de esos sitios fracasando/no adaptándose/cumpliendo un ciclo (Tuzzio, Ponzio, Lussenhoff, Rosales, etc).

c_d said...

esas cotizaciones estan medio infladas... despues te quejas de la mentira de macri con los 14 palos por banega (que salio campeon de la libertadores)

Anonymous said...

termodinámicamente irreversibilidad se refiere a un proceso -o a la conceptuación de un proceso- del cual no podemos trazar todos los intervalos o trayectorias desde su estado final hacia su estado inicial o viceversa.
No todos!, pero siempre va ha haber una tratyectoria para volver a un estado parecido al inicial, o uno aún mejor. Te lo dice un bostero.
new wave

Fútbol Whisky said...

Ehhh, de 9 está el Roly, ayer cuando entró jugó mejor que Ríos desde que debutó en primera....

Dorian said...

yo pinso igual q "futbol basile"; roly es el nueve, aun con 67 años es 76 veces mas q rios, ruben, falcao, todos esos juntos.

Incesto con mi tia said...

Gordo toto, no le des mas vueltas, la gallinearon...la G A L L I N E A R O N, por mas tendencia mundial que exista, por mas modelos economicos que favorezcan tal o cual tendencia (convertibilidad de Carlos Saul en los 90' o 1 EURO = 4.50 pesos de hoy)si lo queres ver como razon de que nos falten jugadores de jerarquia...asi y todo en el futbol hay algo que no cambiara nunca, por lo menos asi tan rapido que es que hay equipos grandes y hay equipos chicos ...y hoy riverzuelo se esta achicando dramaticamente, hoy a riverzuelo solo le queda un viejo y gran estadio y toda una estructura podrida de corrupcion...sumado a que siempre fueron unos pechofrios, hoy Riverzuelo se esta racinguizando a pasos gigantezcos, pero riverzuelo es mas pecho frio que Racing

Hoy te dije que no iba a aprovecharme de la situacion, pero con comentarios asi gordito...no das otra opcion..."se acabo river" ...eso te pinta de cuerpo entero, sacas la cuentita de cuanto valen el grupo de bailarianas clasicas con menstruacion que tienen por jugadores al final de cada partido...sos un pobre pechofrio gordito, a lo mejor iba a ser muy ovbio que hicieras un post para putear a DAP, pero hubiera sido mas esperable y mas demostrable que podrias llegar a tener algo de sangre y no esta demaostracion de pechofries que estas dando ...pero bueno sos de river , que otra cosa se puede esperar ?...a Arsenal, uds lo deberian haber camiseteado, es cierto los partidos se pueden perder, Hasta Boca, el mas grande de la Argentina supo tener su Once Caldas y su Cienciano...pero uds con Arsenal...mamita querida...eso se llama ser pechofrio gordito, pechofrio y arelequin, que hubiera pasado si ayer de pedo metian un gol y de pedo pasaban a la fianal? que estarias arlequiniando hoy ?
Pensa gordo, que se quedaron en semis, pues America les iba a romper el culo, pensa que a pesar de todo el destino les hizo precio, UDS son unos P E C H O F R I O S


me parece aun escuchar como entre sueños un rumor que dice...
vamo a traer la copa a la Argentina,
la copa que perdieron los bosteros, los bosteros ...por que sera que ese cantito falto de vida se aleja cada vez mas ?

estamos a mitad de noviembre, cuando es el mundial de clubes ?? ya encargaste tu camiseta ?

DAP y JMA es el hijo y el yerno soñado por todas las madres de riverzuelo

gracias River

Anonymous said...

gordo mogólico, si augusto vale 10 palos, cuanto valen ledesma o banega??

toto said...

Augusto vale el doble que esos 2 juntos.

Banega?? Banega?? un pibe que camina los clasicos, y no quiere concentrar porque no puede hacer striptease en la web.

ROMAN said...

el post muy bueno, las mejores conclusiones:

1. river perdió por culpa del marketing y del desarrollo economico
2. arsenal ganó porque es más maketinero que river (?)
3. el desarrollo económico perjudica river
4. los partidos de fútbol no se ganan en la cancha, sino en las bolsas de comercio mundiales (ojo con estados unidos y wall street!)
5. river para ganar tiene que tener a los mejores jugadores del mundo, sino es una injusticia (a pesar de que tiene un plantel de 90 palos)
6. el plantel de river es más caro que el de boca, pero el de boca es más marketinero (?), por eso es mejor y gana torneos
7. la copa sudamericana es de leche, por eso river no la gana nunca
8. river no gana porque no tiene imagen empresario - corporativa. Algo que si tiene racing, que es una corporación. no obstante, racing no gana porque la economía argentina no crece sustentablemente.
9. el plantel de river cuesta lo mismo que el plantel del milan.

10. TOTO DEJA DE LLORAR.

patota potente said...

toto, preparate para que tu clásico sea con Club Parque.

Anonymous said...

toto, callate que vos defendías a Aguilar y le echabas la culpa a Macri.

abbi said...

En realidad no creo que haya sido gallineada,River siempre jugó horrible y cuándo jugás mal casi siempre perdés.No se olviden como llegamos:milagro contra fogo y los huevos en la garganta con los uruguayos.Paradójicamente el mejor partido del semestre fué con boca,no vale decir Velez que se come cuatro por partido.
Y con respecto al fútbol de los 80'era mucho más lento,no sé si ahora podrían jugar tipos como Bochini (que fue un crack o Batista.Parece que lo único que importa es correr,podés ser rechoto con la pelota pero si tenés buen estado físico jugás en cualquier lado.

Anonymous said...

Resentido:

Lo de river en el ambito internacional fue SIEMPRE la misma historia. Desde 1966, siempre tuvieron los mejores planteles del pais (LEJOS) y siempre eventualmente gallinearon.

Por eso perdieron 47!!! de las 52 copas que disputaron en su historia. Van 21!!! eliminaciones consecutivas!

Esto no es a causa de Aguilar o DAP. Hasta su procer Labruna fue una lagrima en las copas. Lo verde y lo inocentes que son para jugar copas es indescriptible. SIEMPRE la misma historia, siempre rifando el prestigio ganado por otros clubes argentinos mucho menos poderosos... Es una verguenza como river siempre representa al futbol argentino... ya cansan!!!

uba said...

toto dijo...
Augusto vale el doble que esos 2 juntos.

Banega?? Banega?? un pibe que camina los clasicos, y no quiere concentrar porque no puede hacer striptease en la web.
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Claro, "sólo" fue campeón del mundo sub-20 y campeón de la Libertadores, no como Augusto (?)

Anonymous said...

"¿Por qué sino se menciona a Mourinho como posible reemplazante de Rijkaard? ¿Qué sustento meramente fútbolistico tiene esa decisión?"

1 Liga de Campeones - FC Porto - Temporada 2003-2004
1 Copa de la UEFA - FC Porto - Temporada 2002-2003
2 FA Premier League - Chelsea- Temporadas 2004-2005 y 2005-2006
1 FA Cup - Chelsea - Temporada 2006-2007
2 Copa de la Liga - Chelsea- Temporadas 2004-2005 y 2006-2007
1 Community Shield - Chelsea - Temporada 2004-2005
2 SuperLiga - FC Porto - Temporadas 2002-2003 y 2003-2004

10 titulos en 5 temporadas, a un promedio de dos por ano... la misma cantidad de copas que river PIERDE por temporada!

toto said...

Ruggeri entonces fue mas que Maradona porque ganó mas titulos.

Alguien vió jugar los equipos de Mourinho el traductor?

Anonymous said...

Resentido:

Nadie dice que Mourinho sea mejor que Rijkaard. Tu mente retorcida debe leer eso...

Vos preguntas que sustento tiene Mourinho. Titulos, asi de facil.

Sus equipos jugaran lindo o feo, pero lo del tipo es mas que respetable (sobre todo por lo hecho con el porto). Los equipos de Bianchi tampoco jugaban lindo, por lo que supongo el virrey no tiene ningun sustento...

Dale ameba, buscate un laburo y hace algo productivo con tu vida.

Anonymous said...

Si River plantea un partido como lo hizo Arsenal ayer, es probable que sus hinchas quemen el estadio y cuelguen del puente Labruna a jugadores y técnico.

que gracioso eso. pero es verdad.

escuche para reemplazar a DAP:
gallego (horrible)
bianchi (horrible y es imposible)
francescoli (no te manches idolo)
simeone( puede ser)

me hubiera gustado bielsa, pero nya tiene trabajo(?)

buena toto, igual a seguir bancando al Millo. Los putos de la bosta no saben lo que es querer.

Anonymous said...

GORDO LLORON

Walrus™ said...

Belluschi 15
Falcao 15
Buonanotte 12
Alexis Sanchez 12
Augusto 10
Carrizo 7
Ferrari 7
Rosales 5
Ponzio 3,5
Ruben 3,5
Lima 3...

Si Falcao vale 15 millones de dólares yo me disfrazo de Gallego y lo pongo al Enzo. Belluschi tiene que jugar 2 partidos bien seguidos para valer 15, y cuando juega mal vale el 500% menos.
A Buonanotte lo pueden pagar 12 los de Qatar, ni en pedo un equipo europeo gasta 12 millones en un pibe de 1.61m.
A Augusto le falta un año más en primera y "puede ser" que valga 10. Alexis lo mismo.

Por último, Tuzzio cuanto sale? 0.50 centavos? VendanloN! Es el defensor más horrible que jugó en River en los últimos 10 años junto con Loeschbor y Paquito "el dos de Quilmes" Gerlo.

Algo es claro: por alguien que se dió cuenta de que si se iba Passarella todo va a ser lo mismo. Con estos jugadores y sobretodo, estos dirigentes.

Dimisión para la camada perdedora y horrible de Tuzzio -cada día juega peor-, Gerlo, Ahumada, Lussenhoff-tiene 32 años y se pone nervioso, la camiseta le baila-, Ríos, y para los "embauques millonarios" Rúben (que paquete, lo dije en marzo más o menos, y se reían) y "selección nacional (?)" Villagra.

Ojeda, Ortega, Belluschi, Nico y Alexis Sánchez, Ponzio y Ferrari deben ser la base, y recuperar al Roly Zárate para que se el de Vélez. En buen estado físico es 5 veces más que García "toco la pelota y me caigo" Falcao, Leonel "intrascendencia total Rambert style" Ríos, Marco "cómo los engrupí" Rúben. Rosales debería quedarse también.

Anonymous said...

Yo lo traigo a La Volpe. Le digo, labura 6 meses gratis, redimite de tus últimos dos fracasos, y si ganas algo, te pago los 6 meses juntos, sino, chau hasta luego!!!!!
ese muchacho tiene mucha sed de revancha, y no transa con los periodistas, ve el fútbol igual que Bielsa, y además, va a depurar el plantel!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

che, a quien corno traemos ahora???
yo le pongo un poroto a Pumpido, pero no aparece en ninguna lista!!!!!!

Fútbol Whisky said...

Pumpido? El autor de la frase "Lunati, estás lunati?"? Dejate de joder! Antes prefiero a Ruggeri(?)
Que venga el Cholo, que la jermu está más buena que unos sorrentinos a los 4 quesos (?)

Fútbol Whisky said...

Es más, redoblo la apuesta, porque a mí me gusta redoblar la apuesta (...), el Cholo a River y la jermu al blog de toto 3.

Joshua said...

PALAVROSSAVRVS REX.

Anonymous said...

Belluschi 15
Falcao 15
Buonanotte 12
Alexis Sanchez 12
Augusto 10
Carrizo 7
Ferrari 7
Rosales 5
Ponzio 3,5
Ruben 3,5
Lima 3...

toto no te das cuenta que lo tuyo no tiene CONGRUENCIA.

Belluschi 15 millones?? de euros o dolares? euros seria mas grave.

Belluschi puede valer 4 o 5 millones, no mas.

Falcao 15????????????? Porque hizo 5 goles pedorros seguidos?? Ese pibe no vale ni 3 palos.

Buenas Noches es como dijo Walrus, puede valer 10 palos hoy para un equipos de Qatar o Rusia.

Ese pibe tiene que jugar 2 años en primera con el fisico que tiene y despues veremos.

Alexis y Augusto para mi son los que mas cotizan, pero no 10 palos!!!

Un lateral como Ferrari 7, donde vivis gordo?

Subis precio como el Mandril, sos puro humo

Fútbol Whisky said...

No sean giles, cualquier ruso pelotudo hoy en día es capaz de pagar 10 palos por cualquier jugador falopa, Belluschi armando un buen dvd tranquilamente puede valer 15 ó 20 palos; De Buonanotte, con el caño que le metió al gangoso y el gol a Central, tranquilamente se pueden robar 10 palos también, ustedes porque no tienen visión de negocios (?)

Anonymous said...

90 millones TOTO? 90 millones? Qué te fumaste?

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Toto:

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